Advice.....thoughts please...

[Patricia Dees]

Ok this may end up long....but I know you ladies will be able to relate...

Ok, so I compete. Even though I've only done 2 shows thus far, I have been pretty much livin' the lifestyle for almost 10 years. Training, eating 5-6 times a day, packin food...yada yada yada...

I was with a guy for 5 years that was similar. Just like me. Doin it for years...we could train together or do our own thing...ate the same...

Anyway. That ended back in October. I thought (or knew) that I needed someone like that. Someone who could not only understand but who could relate...

Then, I gave a really 'fun' and 'different' guy a chance and fell in love with him--or at least, with the 'new' and 'different'. But, he wasn't a BBer by ANY means.... and I thought that "Hey, for once I met a guy NOT into anything BBing related at all and it's good!"

But, the "newness" and "cuteness" of me taking him to the gym wore off and now it just bothers me and annoys me that I a) lift more than him b) have to explain and show him how to do everything c) he has to set an alarm to make sure he eats d) he has the body of a skinny fat chick with a belly

Now PLEASE..do not think I am being superficial. I am not trying to be. I really thought that I could like him for his personality alone, but after 3 months of dating there is just no sexual attraction. None. And, his not knowing how to do anything eating or gym wise is just getting under my skin.

I feel like I am well, 'doomed' to only date BBers or something. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

Have any of you other gals run into similar problems???

I don't know what to do.....

[Siouxcountry]

Patricia,

I'm curious, do you believe he is working out only to please you, or does he seriously want to improve his physique?

[buffbabeGA]

Patricia - I can shed more light on this the I care to admit! I did the same thing! I never want to seem closed minded in dating but I did find that dating someone who didn't live the lifestyle I did , caused nothing but fights , resentment , etc! Its not just a hobby for those like us and most don't understand. Please feel you are "doomed" to date only bbers just need someone as passionate about living the lifestyle as u are. The sexual attraction or lack thereof is horrible! That's a huge thing pretty lady! Pm if u need to talk

[Patricia Dees]

Patricia,

I'm curious, do you believe he is working out only to please you, or does he seriously want to improve his physique?

Well, maybe a bit of both. He does have a goal, but literally anything will come between him and a) working out or b) eating towards that goal. He makes excuses for EVERYTHING and when I try to explain to him how other even MORE BUSY people manage to do it he just says "That's them (or you) that's what you do. Not everyone is like you...."

[Patricia Dees]

Patricia - I can shed more light on this the I care to admit! I did the same thing! I never want to seem closed minded in dating but I did find that dating someone who didn't live the lifestyle I did , caused nothing but fights , resentment , etc! Its not just a hobby for those like us and most don't understand. Please feel you are "doomed" to date only bbers just need someone as passionate about living the lifestyle as u are. The sexual attraction or lack thereof is horrible! That's a huge thing pretty lady! Pm if u need to talk

Thank you so much. Ugh. I almost feel like a bad person...I mean he is a great guy but you are right it isn't a 'hobby' it's a lifestyle. It annoys me that he has a goal and then when he has a stressful day at work (mind you he has several during the week and works from HOME) he says he rather drive to Jack in the Box instead of eat the chicken he cooked up for the week in his fridge.

And, honestly, I am almost embarrased when we go to the gym cuz he follows me around like a little puppy not knowing how to do anything while all these buff dudes are checking us out like "WTH??" It's emasculating if you ask me. And I can't workout with him because I have to constantly stop and correct his form and answer all 100000000 questions he has about everything and when he sees that I am getting kinda anxious to start my set he gets visibly upset. He plays it off but I can tell he's pouting.

[JLB001]

Knowing you in person I know your not superficial. You know my thoughts as well.

I would just like to add to what we chatted about this afternoon..

Your young, cute, pretty, have so much going for you. don't just settle. If your feeling this now, then he isn't the right one for you.

You know once you start your preps, every little thing will start to bug the shit out of you, then the tension mounts and it will make you go bonkers.

Many more fish in the sea that like to do the things we do. :)

Love you!


PS...tell him doesn't have to know the reasons why things work in the gym, just that they do! He can research later. hehe

[Patricia Dees]

Knowing you in person I know your not superficial. You know my thoughts as well.

I would just like to add to what we chatted about this afternoon..

Your young, cute, pretty, have so much going for you. don't just settle. If your feeling this now, then he isn't the right one for you.

You know once your start your preps, every little thing will start to bug the shit out of you, then the tension mounts and it will make you go bonkers.

Many more fish in the sea that like to do the things we do. :)

Love you!


I HEART You Jodie I really do. Even though we drive each other nuts during prep sometimes. :p

[Siouxcountry]

Looking at it from his perspective, it very well may be embarrassing for him to go to the gym and workout with you. As you said above you are stronger than him, other guys around the gym are buff (while he's not), and plus he doesn't know what he is doing.

A home gym may help, until he's confident in himself.

[JLB001]

I HEART You Jodie I really do. Even though we drive each other nuts during prep sometimes. :p

sometimes? lol ;)

Now really isn't the time to be teaching someone new that hasn't been in the gym much what is needed to be done.

I heart you too!

[Patricia Dees]

Looking at it from his perspective, it very well may be embarrassing for him to go to the gym and workout with you. As you said above you are stronger than him, other guys around the gym are buff (while he's not), and plus he doesn't know what he is doing.

A home gym may help, until he's confident in himself.

I don't think he would do it. He literally won't workout unless I am there or make him an EXACT workout --down to having little pictures of the exercises drawn so he knows what a darn "db shoulder press" is!

And, no, I am NOT exaggerating. I am serious. :no:

[Siouxcountry]

I don't think he would do it. He literally won't workout unless I am there or make him an EXACT workout --down to having little pictures of the exercises drawn so he knows what a darn "db shoulder press" is!

And, no, I am NOT exaggerating. I am serious. :no:

Than he is just doing this for you (the little he's been doing), and will eventually go back to not working out at all.

[JLB001]

I don't think he would do it. He literally won't workout unless I am there or make him an EXACT workout --down to having little pictures of the exercises drawn so he knows what a darn "db shoulder press" is!

And, no, I am NOT exaggerating. I am serious. :no:

Reminds me of the one I dated last year...literally thought the entire pot of rice was a serving. And double dave's pizza was healthy.


Oh...come eat burnt chicken soon. :) I've been stoking up the grill every two days!

[SBT]

Well I completely understand you and I think that is a lot of why I have been single for so long. Its just hard to find a guy who is into the same things as you are once you begin this lifestyle thats for sure :rolleyes:

[sdahlum]

Well, I'm lucky, in that my husband and I are both passionate about bbing and it's a lifestyle we have together. I don't think either one of us could do it if the other didn't. It's our life! Everyone here knows that it's not something that takes a few hours out of your week. It's 24 hour/7 days. If we didn't do it together, we'd be living very separate lives. I don't know how someone who isn't into this sport could truly appreciate or understand what and why his/her partner is doing, who his a bber. And to not understand it, could lead to lots of resentment (why can't you just skip it today/ eat out with me, etc).

It sucks to say it, cuz there are lots of great guys out there who aren't gym rats, I just don't know if many of them could truly be compatible with any of us :(

[Hannibal]

Now PLEASE..do not think I am being superficial. I am not trying to be. I really thought that I could like him for his personality alone, but after 3 months of dating there is just no sexual attraction. None. And, his not knowing how to do anything eating or gym wise is just getting under my skin.

I feel like I am well, 'doomed' to only date BBers or something. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

Have any of you other gals run into similar problems???

I don't know what to do.....

Just so you know you aren't a bad person....since I don't consider myself a bad person I just recently had this exact same experience. Except I was a guy dating a chic that wasn't serious at all about the gym.

It happened just like you stated. I am used to dating (well on the rare occasion a woman will look twice at me) women that were strength speed athletes or were serious in some form of weight training. I met this woman that was great...EXCEPT she only worked out so she could eat more chocolate. At first I thought the same thing.....this is diff...maybe it will work since nothing else has. However, her lack of interest in the gym and in what it takes to maintain the lifestyle (or my wierd version of it) was just a shining example that were weren't right for one another.

It's not superficial at all. If you are this dedicated to something....anything....you have a passion for it. Then it is only natural that you would want your SO to share that passion...or at the very least understand and not distract you from its pursuit. And the fact that you have already been in a relationship with someone that understood what was important to you......pretty much as you said "dooms" you to only dating BBers. But like you said...that isnt a bad thing at all. When two people share the same interest in something like this that takes up so much of their lives....it makes them a powerful team.

[Bernie]

ok...i have a question back.

what about a lazy fat guy, who knows his stuff? seriously. i know nutrition fairly well. i know my way around the gym. i do have certain physical limitations, old football and wrestling injuries. basically, understand the lifestyle....just dont live it.

basically. what if there was a guy, who understood the lifestyle, could hang in discussions, but just didnt have the drive or passion to live it? would that be just as big of a problem?

just curious.....

mind you this guy has a great personality, funny, giving, supportive....and just super. just doesnt have the desire to live it himself.

[Lex]

Sounds like you pretty much have your conclusion Patricia!

Just to throw in my 2 cents, I think there are many aspects to a healthy and happy relationship. Obviously, lifestyle is an important one. But I do think it is possible to be a competitor and be in a relationship with someone who does not live the "lifestyle". That surely does not mean you need to compromise your needs and desires in a man! To each their own. You tried something new and determined you wanted something else. Time to move on for sure!

[Badgergrl]

Well said, Hannibal.

Patricia- so why do you baby him? Why don't you stop planning his workouts/diet and dragging him through it? Are you afraid he'll just give up? LOL It really sounds like you are forcing him to be someone he's not. I'm with Sioux in that it sounds like he is only doing all of this because he thinks it's what you want.

[Patricia Dees]

Thanks everyone for the advice and understanding.

Hannibal- Yes. I felt exactly how you felt when you first met her. "Maybe this is what I needed..." But, no, I was wrong...

Bernie-To answer your question honestly, I don't think I would be attracted to someone who didn't live the lifestyle. At least not for the long haul. I mean, I am no longer physically attracted to him and I was only at first it seems because I was just giddy about the 2nd relationship I've had in years...Oh, and he is funny, giving, and supportive...that's why I am having such a hard time cutting the strings....but, like I said there is ZERO attraction, I don't wanna have sex anymore--or just don't care to.

Badgergirl- Oh, I am not forcing him. He does WANT to workout and eat better and "look like Ryan Reynolds"...he just doesn't make it a priority. He much rather spend his extra 2 hours of downtime at night watching reality shows.

[Badgergrl]

Thanks everyone for the advice and understanding.

Hannibal- Yes. I felt exactly how you felt when you first met her. "Maybe this is what I needed..." But, no, I was wrong...

Bernie-To answer your question honestly, I don't think I would be attracted to someone who didn't live the lifestyle. At least not for the long haul. I mean, I am no longer physically attracted to him and I was only at first it seems because I was just giddy about the 2nd relationship I've had in years...

Badgergirl- Oh, I am not forcing him. He does WANT to workout and eat better and "look like Ryan Reynolds"...he just doesn't make it a priority. He much rather spend his extra 2 hours of downtime at night watching reality shows.


Well, that sums it up. LOL
I think what makes those not "in the lifestyle" unattractive to us is the lack of discipline. I think I could date someone that wasn't a bb/gym rat as long as he displayed the type of discipline that we have in some other area of his life. Unfortunately, most don't.

[Hannibal]

Hannibal- Yes. I felt exactly how you felt when you first met her. "Maybe this is what I needed..." But, no, I was wrong...

Exactly...and it is so much better to figure it out sooner rather than later.


I mean, I am no longer physically attracted to him and I was only at first it seems because I was just giddy about the 2nd relationship I've had in years...Oh, and he is funny, giving, and supportive...that's why I am having such a hard time cutting the strings....but, like I said there is ZERO attraction, I don't wanna have sex anymore--or just don't care to.

Wow....that was EXACTLY and I mean EXACTLY what I went through. And for me to go through the "I don't wanna have sex" thing means that something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

[buffbabeGA]

good advice from everyone... and i think its time to move on......im lucky as wel]l i have finally found my partner in life and in the gym..... good luck girl u are beautiful

[SBT]

ok...i have a question back.

what about a lazy fat guy, who knows his stuff? seriously. i know nutrition fairly well. i know my way around the gym. i do have certain physical limitations, old football and wrestling injuries. basically, understand the lifestyle....just dont live it.

basically. what if there was a guy, who understood the lifestyle, could hang in discussions, but just didnt have the drive or passion to live it? would that be just as big of a problem?

just curious.....

mind you this guy has a great personality, funny, giving, supportive....and just super. just doesnt have the desire to live it himself.
I would say there is NOTHING wrong with that at all, because I am thinking that type of guy would definitely be supportive and understand all the ups and downs that we go through or can go through when dieting.

[Hannibal]

Well, that sums it up. LOL
I think what makes those not "in the lifestyle" unattractive to us is the lack of discipline. I think I could date someone that wasn't a bb/gym rat as long as he displayed the type of discipline that we have in some other area of his life. Unfortunately, most don't.

Well and some of that could be that at some point in my life I was undisciplined before I really got into fitness and strength. And I fought so hard to get away from that....maybe I see some parts of myself in the unmotivated that I hated about myself.

That might just be me though.....

[Bernie]

Bernie-To answer your question honestly, I don't think I would be attracted to someone who didn't live the lifestyle. At least not for the long haul. I mean, I am no longer physically attracted to him and I was only at first it seems because I was just giddy about the 2nd relationship I've had in years...Oh, and he is funny, giving, and supportive...that's why I am having such a hard time cutting the strings....but, like I said there is ZERO attraction, I don't wanna have sex anymore--or just don't care to.



understood. physical attraction is the basis of a lot of relationships. as much as people try to skirt it, it is. thank you for answering honestly. i can see your point fully. he was, basically, different. you got out of a relationship, and something new, something different was appealing. very understandable.

[Badgergrl]

Well and some of that could be that at some point in my life I was undisciplined before I really got into fitness and strength. And I fought so hard to get away from that....maybe I see some parts of myself in the unmotivated that I hated about myself.

That might just be me though.....


Same here, and that just makes being surrounded by an unmotivated/undisciplined person even more intolerable for me.

[Hannibal]

Same here, and that just makes being surrounded by an unmotivated/undisciplined person even more intolerable for me.

Well that and the fact that I realize how easy it would be for me sometimes to fall back into bad eating habits. So it is almost unhealthy for me to surround myself with a group of people like that. And it would be even worse if I had a SO like that and spent ALL my free time with her.

[fitmomma3]

Hey Patricia... what a bummer...I don't think it comes down to BB or not its the whole attraction aspect... Its not superficial its everyone has a type you are either attracted to or not. BTW I'm completley with you I don't need a competitive BB BUT being active and in shape would be a HUGE requirement. I almost think it would help if he just did his own thing (even if he ran marathons or biked or something) it would still be healthy living and his own motivation. Following you around the gym like a puppy could be one of the biggest turn-offs ...secretly we like manly men NOT PUPPIES. I also agree with Jodie you are too young and have to much going to settle...After 3 months you guys should still be pouncing on EACH OTHER!

[Shelly]

hey P:

honesrly i think you did answer your own q. this lifestyle we lead cant be turned on and off by a switch. its day in day out, 24/7...and it DOES take someone very special to understand that.

From past experience I was single thru my first and second prep. there was NO WAY i could date any of these guys around here who partied on the weekends, and lifted to look BIG dor summer (jersey ppl you know what i mean lol) so i focused on ME! until I met Nick AT MY SHOW...and honestly its been the best thing thats ever happened to me. we diet together, train,. eat, sleep, discuss the sport etc....i know a great guy that is in the industry doesnt always fall at your feet.,,but i dont think you should settle either. i think it is VERY VERY hard dating anyone who isnt part of the sport when you are so passionate about it. again this is just from my experience...

but like it was said before...you re beautiful young, and you have so much going for you...why settle?

oh and lastly...if the attraction aint there RED FLAGS should be flying!


hope this helps :kiss:

[Lisa]

JMO

I think the "honeymoon" phase is over & you are beginning to see the real person...Rememeber you met him in the offseason, well now it gets intense--prep-- & he may not be able to hang...

Sounds harsh, but I say kick him to the curb now before you get too involved with your prep plus it is not fair to him to expect him to change....

I speak from experience, hon, life is too short to be slowed down by men who cannot support our lifestyle....not saying he has to be a bb , but if you are already not attracted to him....say bye bye before he gets too hurt & you waste too much valuable energy....

(I just kicked my ex bf to the curb last December, we were together 13 years, and now I am finally following MY dreams & do not have to worry about somebody else....besides he smoked WAY too much pot...LOL!)

Hugs~Lisa

[Patricia Dees]

Goodness. I really appreciate all your feedback everyone. I know what I need to do....but it's just difficult for me to cut the strings. He has noticed I haven't been 'there' lately and questioned me about it and suggested that maybe I just don't have time for a relationship right now.

It sounds bad but I'd rather him think that than think, well, it's because he just doesn't do it for me....

And what's worse....when I was single before I met him I didn't think about my ex 24/7 and mope around at all...but, now, for some reason being with him has made me miss and daydream of the ex all.the.time. :(

[Shelly]

Goodness. I really appreciate all your feedback everyone. I know what I need to do....but it's just difficult for me to cut the strings. He has noticed I haven't been 'there' lately and questioned me about it and suggested that maybe I just don't have time for a relationship right now.

It sounds bad but I'd rather him think that than think, well, it's because he just doesn't do it for me....

And what's worse....when I was single before I met him I didn't think about my ex 24/7 and mope around at all...but, now, for some reason being with him has made me miss and daydream of the ex all.the.time. :(

then you are 110% better off DOING YOU... ALONE! we are all here if you need support :hug: no use having someone else bring you down ESP during prep!

[Shelly]

update?

:popcorn:

[STL Joe]

While this guy in question may in fact, not be the right guy for Ms. Patricia, and breaking up is probably the right thing to do given the honesty about her feelings for him, there is still a somewhat disturbing amount of what I would consider bad, or misguided advice being handed out in this thread.

I will attempt to keep my comments brief and politically correct, despite my actual perceptions over the last 10 years on the general issue of FBB/Fit-figs and their compatibility with respect to MBB's vs. un-trained guys.

It is simply a cop out to say that only other bodybuilders are capable of understanding your lifestyle. I know many, many examples to the contrary, STARTING with myself. My wife will be competing in 8.5 weeks at the Jr. Nationals, she competed and won 2 NQ shows last year, and competed in shows in 2002 and 2004. She's been involved in the "physique lifestyle" (for lack of a better term) seriously since 1999. We were married in 2000, going on 8 years now. I've gone to the gym with her (without the camera, but actually to work out!) several times (4-6 times, maybe??? LOL) over the 8 years, and each time I just end up saying "fuck this, I'm outta here...." lol. It's just not for me. It's not that I'm intimidated by her or others, or that I don't see the benefits of doing it, because I do - I just have many other things in my life that I consider far more important. Whether it's my photo/video work I could be doing instead of being there, practicing on my sax (I'm a "semi-pro" musician in the St Louis area - meaning I play in 3 groups plus do freelance work), or working on websites, brokering technology deals in the consumer electronics industry, etc... I just feel I'm wasting time in the gym and that I could be doing far more productive things. However, despite the difference in our lifestyles, we enjoy a wonderful relationship/marriage, and are extremely supportive of one another. There are times to be involved actively, and there are times to just stay out of one another's way, just as is the case with ANY OTHER relationship. Both are "supportive".

To Bernie's point as well, one can be "un-trained" and still understand and be knowledgeable about a great deal related to this industry, whether it's training techniques, "supplementation", nutrition, research, contest schedules, shows and qualifications, judging, politics, media, etc.... One doesn't have to be pounding protein shakes with you, or out-maxing your lifts in the gym in order to be knowledgeable, respectful, and supportive of your goals in the sport. "Normal guys" are perfectly capable of giving you all the support you need to succeed. There's no secret formula - not all MBB's will understand you, nor will all "normal guys".

Over the past 10 years, having shot hundreds and hundreds of girls in this industry, meeting their husbands, boyfriends, and fiance's, I'm confident I have a pretty good feel for the various types of personalities and relationships we see. First of all, for any relationship to work, there has to be physical attraction there, if there is not, don't bother. If you only desire a muscular, competitor style physique, then that's what you should seek. You should also realize that in this case, the other person is also likely to have a similar psychological makeup as you, which can often be a cause of conflict in the relationship. I've seen many relationships go down in flames because the "meathead boyfriend" was too busy admiring his own physique, or looking at other male physiques online, or seeking feedback (i.e. "you go girl"/"you go guy" positive reinforcement) to care about the female's physique endeavors. More into themselves, than the "giving entirely of ones self to the other" that is required in a loving relationship.

I have found that the best relationships for female competitors are usually those with either untrained or "normal" guys, or guys who are fit themselves, but do not compete. Of course there are exceptions to these "rules" and if you are a competitor who also happens to have a competitor companion and you're in a great relationship, then congrats to you. It's just my (well informed) opinion, that this is more rare than many may think, and if you're ONLY looking for love "inside the industry", you may be unhappy for a lot longer than you'd prefer. Just my observation.

[STL Joe]

Well, that sums it up. LOL
I think what makes those not "in the lifestyle" unattractive to us is the lack of discipline. I think I could date someone that wasn't a bb/gym rat as long as he displayed the type of discipline that we have in some other area of his life. Unfortunately, most don't.

"Most" who are not in the industry don't apply similar discipline in other area of his life???? So, I guess "most" of those who've had the discipline to go thru medical or law school, lead Fortune 500 companies, or become successful entrepreneurs, talented musicians, physicists, media moguls, nuclear engineers, etc.... have been "in the industry"????

Hopefully I've drastically mis-interpreted your comment, or hopefully you did a poor job of stating your point... because if you truly believe that..... well.... there's an entire WORLD of evidence to the contrary.

[buffbabeGA]

no one told her to look ONLY in the industry so please dont take our advice the wrong way....

[Patricia Dees]

HD- I hear what you are saying. Trust me, I get it and your whole point is why I *thought* it was going to work and was enthusiastic about it- at first.


But, after the honeymoon phase was over, just being supportive and understanding isn't enough--for me. I am just not physically attracted anymore (I was at first but I realize now it was because he had such a cool personality)
, and things I thought were 'cute' and 'quirky' (like me being STRONGER than him!) are turn offs and bothersome.
I don't necessarily desire a guy 'in the industry'...but, I do realize now that I do need someone who not only 'gets it' or just 'understands' but at least is part of it as well...

[STL Joe]

no one told her to look ONLY in the industry so please dont take our advice the wrong way....

True - you are correct. I should clarify that I do understand that sometimes is DOES work out well "in the industry" (as is the case with you apparently, as well as others, such as Shawn and Tami, etc...). I just felt that the advice she was getting seemed a little one-sided and that in my experiences, I've seen more in-industry relationships tank due to the reasons I mentioned, and have seen many other "non-industry" relationships prosper, than the other way around. So I felt that offering that point of view may help... it's not that a "non-industry" guy is going to be entirely incompatible with her, it's just that THAT ONE was not.

[Badgergrl]

Most people haven't gone through law or med school, led a fortune 500 company, etc....

In no way was I saying that only people in the industry are that disciplined, but finding people in general that exude the type of discipline we do....I just think they are few and far between. Not that there aren't many counter examples- but the ones that you listed do not make up the majority of single guys....unfortunately :rolleyes:



"Most" who are not in the industry don't apply similar discipline in other area of his life???? So, I guess "most" of those who've had the discipline to go thru medical or law school, lead Fortune 500 companies, or become successful entrepreneurs, talented musicians, physicists, media moguls, nuclear engineers, etc.... have been "in the industry"????

Hopefully I've drastically mis-interpreted your comment, or hopefully you did a poor job of stating your point... because if you truly believe that..... well.... there's an entire WORLD of evidence to the contrary.

[STL Joe]

I am just not physically attracted anymore (I was at first but I realize now it was because he had such a cool personality)


Yeah, I hear ya, the physical attraction has to be there for any relationship to work, whether it's a superficial thing or not. And if you need a well trained guy in order to feel that, then that is what you need, and it's certain that this relationship would not work. It's good to realize that and move on.

Sometimes people change as they age (I certainly did - I used to only like blondes.... so how did I end up with a red-head??? LOL), sometimes they don't. Just always be aware that you need the physical attraction there no matter what. You cannot depend on "growing into it" or expecting someone else to change.


, and things I thought were 'cute' and 'quirky' (like me being STRONGER than him!) are turn offs and bothersome.


Yep - another personal preference thing that you have to be comfortable with. I personally find it cool that my wife is stronger than me (on everything except back - I still own her on that..... or maybe it's because I just lean back to far on my seated rows.... LOL). She also finds it cool and we enjoy giving each other shit about it. I look at it like this... gives me an excuse to have her do more of the housework.... ROFL!!!! lol

Best of luck to you, Patricia

[STL Joe]

Most people haven't gone through law or med school, led a fortune 500 company, etc....

In no way was I saying that only people in the industry are that disciplined, but finding people in general that exude the type of discipline we do....I just think they are few and far between. Not that there aren't many counter examples- but the ones that you listed do not make up the majority of single guys....unfortunately :rolleyes:

Maryanne,we're on the same page here. You just worded it in a confusing way the first time - made it sound as if ONLY guys involved in bodybuilding are capable of applying discipline to what they do, etc.... we cool.

[Badgergrl]

Maryanne,we're on the same page here. You just worded it in a confusing way the first time - made it sound as if ONLY guys involved in bodybuilding are capable of applying discipline to what they do, etc.... we cool.

:SC SBT:


and I'd date a doctor over a bb any day!