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Siouxcountry

09-20-2010, 09:09 PM

Mindi Smith withdraws from the Figure Olympia for "health reasons". She told Isaac Hinds.......

Yes, I have some health issues and am under the instruction of my doctor and told not to compete at the O.http://www.hardbody.com/news/2010/09/20/mindi-smith-withdraws-from-the-figure-olympia/

dallas3

09-20-2010, 09:14 PM

Hope she gets better

Scarl3tbutt3rfly

09-20-2010, 09:17 PM

Wow, that is a bummer. I hope she feels better soon.

Rebecca Patterson

09-20-2010, 09:18 PM

That sucks...hope she's back at it soon.

Siouxcountry

09-20-2010, 09:34 PM

That sucks...hope she's back at it soon.

She posted the following just a few minutes ago on her Facebook Page......

"Due to serious health concerns and under the guidance of my doctor, I have withdrawn myself from the 2010 Figure Olympia. I am deeply saddened by the situation and am working to get myself back to health. Thank you for your understanding and concern on this matter." - Mindi

joyjoy

09-20-2010, 09:34 PM

Praying that she has a speedy recovery

chicky9914

09-20-2010, 10:40 PM

Not gonna lie. Saw this coming. After seeing her at her last show, clearly not at her best, I had concerns that she may have begun to suffer from what's plaguing many competitors (the MD word). This is pure speculation. I don't even know her, but you could tell that something was very "off" about her at her last show.

jewelisa

09-20-2010, 11:03 PM

Suzanne

09-20-2010, 11:16 PM

i am gonna guess

MD=metabolic disorder

Ms.Yak

09-20-2010, 11:19 PM

Get better Mindi :)

chicky9914

09-20-2010, 11:25 PM

i am gonna guess

MD=metabolic disorder

Totally my guess, but that's what it looks like. I probably shouldn't even speculate on message boards, especially without knowing her. Whatever it is, I sure hope she's okay.

cray17

09-20-2010, 11:35 PM

Dang, that sucks! :( Hope she gets better soon.

jewelisa

09-21-2010, 12:19 AM

Crystol88

09-21-2010, 01:14 AM

Duh ... thanks guys..

Well whatever is ailing her I hope she recovers quickly. Wonder how many girls ( not saying mindi ) in general go through this? Sometimes when reading gals journals expecially after shows about the eating and weight gain . I wonder ??

Lots and lots and lots. Ask my Coach. They write him almost DAILY asking for anonymity and acting as though there's something shameful about what has happened to them. It's heartbreaking. :(

Regardless of what Mindi's health problems are, good for her for making her health a priority and not sacrificing her long-term wellbeing for a show. If she nips things in the bud now, hopefully she will compete another day. I wish her all the best for a speedy recovery.

fitcrazy

09-21-2010, 03:09 AM

Hope ya feel better! Sure gonna miss you on the "O" stage!
We luv ya!!!!

Dean

09-21-2010, 05:53 AM

Completely shocked and so sorry to hear this. :( Likewise, hoping everything checks out okay for Mindi and she is able to compete again soon.

jewelisa

09-21-2010, 12:01 PM

Lots and lots and lots. Ask my Coach. They write him almost DAILY asking for anonymity and acting as though there's something shameful about what has happened to them. It's heartbreaking. :(

Regardless of what Mindi's health problems are, good for her for making her health a priority and not sacrificing her long-term wellbeing for a show. If she nips things in the bud now, hopefully she will compete another day. I wish her all the best for a speedy recovery.

That is really puzzling to me that these ladies are afraid to talk about it. or with thier trainers? We talk about everything here ?

I have read Scott's articules and others about this . Gonna do some more research very interesting .

ShawnCarla

09-21-2010, 12:40 PM

I hope she's ok... to have to drop out of the biggest show of the year a week before, that has to suck big time.
I can understand women being embarrassed or unable to talk about MD... it cuts to the core of what we all are doing. It's as if they are an anorexic or bulimic. They feel it's something "wrong with them". I know I suffered from issues like this for a while personally... and competing is the only thing that has actually pulled me out of it.
I know we're all just speculating here about Mindi, but regardless, it's a serious issue a lot of women deal with.

Tcashton

09-21-2010, 02:30 PM

This is very sad, and I'm sure one of the hardest things for her to do. Good for her to see her health is more important.

If it is MD I myself feel I'm entering into being there and I am putting my breaks on to stop it. Here is A really amazing article on metabolic burn out, the link is on my site. It's well written and I'm sure most women can relate.

http://tamaraashton.com/nutrition-tips/tamaraashton/metabolic-burnout-addressing-a-dangerous-issue/

http://www.bodysport.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=661:metabolic-burnout-addressing-a-dangerous-issue&catid=163:superfeature

ATilly

09-21-2010, 02:37 PM

I'm bummed for her but she is wise to put her health first, good for her and wishing her only the best in her recovery.

Crystol88

09-21-2010, 04:13 PM

Hijacking this thread, I know, but I suspect Mindi wouldn't mind being the reason we've got women looking into and talking about metabolic damage among competitors regardless of what she's going through. Someone in her position who is strong enough to put her health first is more than likely someone who also cares about other women (yes, pure speculation but you get to be able to read these things about people as you get on in life! :) )

That is really puzzling to me that these ladies are afraid to talk about it. or with thier trainers? We talk about everything here ?

I have read Scott's articules and others about this . Gonna do some more research very interesting .

Start your research here! http://scottabel.blogspot.com/search/label/Metabolic%20Damage

The first article is from 2006. There are nine articles in total. To read the blogs in order, start from the bottom and work your way up.

I hope she's ok... to have to drop out of the biggest show of the year a week before, that has to suck big time.
I can understand women being embarrassed or unable to talk about MD... it cuts to the core of what we all are doing. It's as if they are an anorexic or bulimic. They feel it's something "wrong with them". I know I suffered from issues like this for a while personally... and competing is the only thing that has actually pulled me out of it.
I know we're all just speculating here about Mindi, but regardless, it's a serious issue a lot of women deal with.

Women won't speak out often until they've completely removed themselves from competing. Women are afraid to speak out about a lot of things in this industry for fear of being blackballed. If you besmirch the name of some well-known industry guru with a stable full of high-ranked competitors, what impact will that have on your career? It's a tough spot to be in for sure, which is why Scott gets so many emails from women who desperately need help but definitely aren't about to identify themselves in public forums where anyone can read their posts, including the trainers who are partly responsible for the problem in the first place.

Scott doesn't give a shit about what people in the industry think of him any longer. He feels if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. He's chosen at this point in his career/life to help people rather than get people stage ready regardless of the cost to their health and long-term wellbeing. He's seen what the "stage ready no matter the cost" types of protocols have done to women over the years.

This is very sad, and I'm sure one of the hardest things for her to do. Good for her to see her health is more important.

If it is MD I myself feel I'm entering into being there and I am putting my breaks on to stop it. Here is A really amazing article on metabolic burn out, the link is on my site. It's well written and I'm sure most women can relate.

http://tamaraashton.com/nutrition-tips/tamaraashton/metabolic-burnout-addressing-a-dangerous-issue/

http://www.bodysport.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=661:metabolic-burnout-addressing-a-dangerous-issue&catid=163:superfeature

I can confidently say that Scott was the first in this industry to start talking about the issue of metabolic damage among competitors and doing the necessary research to support his observations. If you're interested in finding out about metabolic damage, get your information from the right sources (I'm not suggesting that Tamara or Kevin aren't providing helpful information, just that Scott is the expert's expert on this issue).

KristenAnn

09-21-2010, 05:57 PM

Muscular Development posted today, under their News section, that Mindi is not out of the O, due to health reasons: http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html . Not sure why there is not any other content... maybe they haven't finished it yet.

Michelle Beck

09-21-2010, 07:26 PM

joyjoy

09-21-2010, 07:57 PM

k_fitness09

09-21-2010, 08:12 PM

Hoping it's just a rumor that was started.. Hope she is good to go and healthy. If not, I hope she takes care of herself and gets better soon!

natalieminh

09-21-2010, 08:27 PM

I agree. I hope Mindi gets better soon.

Crystol88

09-21-2010, 11:02 PM

I hope Mindi gets well soon and is able to get back on stage again.

Since we do not know for sure what her medical condition really is, I have to say I had never heard of MD until now. I read the articles posted and it kinda freaked me out! :hiding: I just went offseason a little over two weeks ago and I don't want anything like this to happen to me.

To anyone that has more knowledge on the subject....How do you know if you have MD? Are there any signs ahead of time or do you just have to wait until contest prep to see if your body responds to your normal prep or if it doesn't?

Michelle go ahead and drop Scott a line and ask him these questions. Metabolic damage isn't something that happens to everyone. Some people's bodies are genetically more metabolically resilient than others and can handle the rigours of many years of competing. Other people are screwed after just one show (often they already have a history of yo-yo dieting). Yes, one show. The more extreme the prep, the more extreme the rebound.

I'm good. My preps are smooth as silk. I train and diet damn hard but I am able to keep on trucking and dial in every time. Scott REALLY knows what he's doing, especially now that we've been working together for just shy of three years. We coax, we don't force, and I expect to keep being able to do what I love with no long-term ill effects. :)

Michelle Beck

09-22-2010, 01:50 AM

Michelle go ahead and drop Scott a line and ask him these questions. Metabolic damage isn't something that happens to everyone. Some people's bodies are genetically more metabolically resilient than others and can handle the rigours of many years of competing. Other people are screwed after just one show (often they already have a history of yo-yo dieting). Yes, one show. The more extreme the prep, the more extreme the rebound.

I'm good. My preps are smooth as silk. I train and diet damn hard but I am able to keep on trucking and dial in every time. Scott REALLY knows what he's doing, especially now that we've been working together for just shy of three years. We coax, we don't force, and I expect to keep being able to do what I love with no long-term ill effects. :)

Thanks Crystol, I think I will do that! :D This was my first year to ever do nine months straight of contest prep and four shows in that amount of time and since I had never heard of MD before and I am just at the beginning of my offseason I want to make sure I can undo a little of the damage I have done the past two weeks, have a good clean offseason and come back in 2011 even better!

Sorry, didn't mean to hi-jack this thread! Back to Mindi and wishing her health and happiness.

Shelly

09-22-2010, 04:08 AM

STL Joe

09-22-2010, 04:52 AM

Crystol bringing tons of truth in this thread. And yes, Scotty Abel definitely knows wtf he is doing when it comes to fixing physiques and metabolisms that were wrecked by other guru's. (not naming any names, of course...as I'm sure that's not necessary at this point.... wink @ Siouxsie and the Banshees)

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 05:07 AM

Anyone care for my "theory?" :stir:

jewelisa

09-22-2010, 10:32 AM

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 11:51 AM

Um ya. Super annoyed. I just deleted about 5 pages of type

jewelisa

09-22-2010, 12:04 PM

Um ya. Super annoyed. I just deleted about 5 pages of type

that sucks !

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 12:16 PM

i got a new one. brb

jewelisa

09-22-2010, 12:24 PM

i got a new one. brb

If its 5 pages .. I have time for a snack :rofl:

ShawnCarla

09-22-2010, 01:08 PM

Before we launch into a big discussion over this... Note that MD is saying Mindi is NOT out of the "O"! Probably should wait to see what the F is up first!

ahmitabha

09-22-2010, 01:17 PM

....as you read further

Figure Competitor, Mindi Smith is Not out of the Ms. Figure Olympia due to "health reasons."

jewelisa

09-22-2010, 02:05 PM

I was under the assumption we all agreed that maybe / if etc etc and went on to wish her well ...

the following discussions were about MD in general ...

ahmitabha

09-22-2010, 02:16 PM

Siouxcountry

09-22-2010, 02:31 PM

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 02:50 PM

It could be a combination of many things, her mental and physical health. Lets just wish her well and take this time to reflect on ourselves and if you think you need help or have questions ladies reach out.. There are a lot of knowledgeable caring folks on this site !

You might be right. She has had a lot going on- and she has lacked support in areas where she needed it. I know what was wrong w her diet going into Texas, and I know what was wrong w her 5 weeks out form Olympia. Personally, I think her manager and trainer dropped a serious ball- on to their own endeavors. LOL, don't get me wrong. Shes not the easiest to deal with when shes on diet- but when you take on a certain responsibility and you see it through. You don't just turn your head.

As per her doctors orders, she has been told to stay away from all activities pertaining to figure competition. It is not a secret that competing takes a lot out of you.

That said, I would like to continue to address those of you who see my posts and wonder who I am- or know who I am and are somewhat captivated by my rants. Well... Here I am again, and you know who I am speaking to when I address the few of you I intend to.

First off, I want to commend this board, and Sioux, for their diligence in bringing you unadulterated reality that is the fitness/figure bodybuilding world. There is an apparent monopoly that has arisen that no one seems to stand up against. Big elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...

Guess what? I'm the guy. I have no real connection to Mindi anymore- she moved to Michigan, although we used to be close. In fact, I was the one who trained her and all the way up to her Overall win at NPC Sacramento showing, and a week prior to her Overall win at NPC Nationals. Coincidentally, and contrary to when you may have heard in interviews. I, too, am the one who found Kim Oddo to train her- (ahem- only two weeks prior to NPC Sac)

So- I have a little biased opinion when it comes to her physique. She is not, however- and I want to make this extremely clear- the only voice I am speaking for under FMG. I know several.

Most recently, I was seriously disappointed in JM's public statement regarding Mindi's alleged "Breach of Contract." Since I know several girls who FMG represents, and each has had their own experience, I have come to draw my own conclusions- and this is just more of the same BS.

That said, may I begin? Do I have some credibility with the crowd so far? I don't care, but cool. thanks

So... lets go into this a tad, shall we? Le me first start this out by letting all of you know that Sioux has every right under the 5th amendment to post public information and allow us, the bloggers, to assert our opinion. Opinions are just that, ones own take on a certain subject. Any attempt to persuade Sioux to delete threads for factual information is, in fact, an infringement on his- and our rights.

Conjecture entails when things get posted under the premise of news report or article of fact, and that is where there is a problem. Aaron Singerman (did I get the name right) posted an article that looked like a cut and paste directly from JM Manion, son of the Chairman and head judge of the IFBB. Smart move JM, because that instance cannot be connected to you unless Aaron is included with a lawsuit and subpoenaed- which, actually, has a very good chance of happening

Certain websites that shall remain nameless, like RXmuscle.com (whoops), removed articles that opened up a forum to speak about JM's statement about the dismissal of Mindi Smith from FMG. I had posted on that- and it wasnt to JM's liking- so he requested the thread removed.

On the same token- the initial posting from Aaron Singerman full of conjecture and lies still remains. Hrm. I'd recommend the removal of that article, but it just further solidifies the case, doesn't it?

See- JM, let me back track a little bit- if you EVER, and I am stating this as a DEMAND. If you EVER have someone threatened, or intimidated because of the issue I have with you- I will come down on you directly and swiftly. I have personal statements, testimonial, and various other information on you that I am certain you wouldn't want to see the light of day. I would seriously DARE you to call that bluff.

So yes, I am writing this via computer. However, I am not simply a keyboard cowboy. I have a meeting on Saturday, but I will be at the Olympia Expo by Sunday for sure. Perhaps we can have a meeting there, or perhaps you are man enough to write me beforehand? Here's an email address for you. FLCABROKER at AOL dot COM. On a further note- I have a penthouse suite at Aria, and may have an after party. You're not invited, but all FMG girls are. :D

Personally speaking for Mindi? I say good riddance to FMG. If it wasn't for the clause (which I will get her out of) that states that any renewal from her sponsor shall net JM 20% in perpetuity, she will be FREE and clear to earn what she deserves and wherever she chooses. Done and Done. No loss.

It is apparent and obvious that your statement via Aaron Singerman (I think I finally got it right) was in extremely poor taste. Whether you personally agree with the gist of it or not, it was full of conjecture and inappropriate language. If Mindi felt so inclined, I'm certain she would win a a case of slander, libel, and conjecture due to your instance to keep that post up.

Regardless, you're not as dumb as you look (which isn't hard), it's a good thing you used poor Aaron to deliver the message- the difference between a forum of opinion and a published article is that one has to contain facts. Poor Aaron is subject to a lawsuit due to your negligence. Personally, I wouldn't go after him. Reason being- he wants to make it to the top just like all the other athletes. Do you think he will defend you? We might find out.

I do not compete, however- I do train. I was responsible for training certain girls to very high positions before releasing them into the "wild" to try their hands at things themselves. One certain girl received a contract for the first time in my absence and it- coincidentally- was the first contract she signed without my attorneys reviewing, and amending it- the date it was signed,was the day after she won her pro card. Very interesting. Not much time to think there, huh? Sounds like you put on a smoke and mirrors show and exploited some naivety.

Pay attention Competitors and Models- There is almost ALWAYS a 90-100% bias, towards whomever pays the attorney to write the contract. So, this can be combat two separate ways- 1) you may download a form letter or 2) you can have the presented contract reviewed by your independent counsel.

So- is it a professional statement to say "Everyone in my company signs this contract?" As long as its an MNDA: Mutual Non Disclosure Agreement or something of mutual benefit. However, contracts for performance are amenable to makes sure that each party benefits.

Now, I could dissect your contract publicly, and paste it right here- but I have chosen not to. However, I fully retain all my rights to do so at any time and for any purpose I deem fit unless otherwise mutually agreed upon in writing.

There are somethings, however, that MUST be addresses if you want your contract to be even remotely enforceable- I.e.- Article 11. Tell me, in a mutually beneficial contract, do you not have to provide more than postage to your client- specially in the age of email? ? When I read this, I am disgusted. I believe most people would believe that you're contract is borderline unconscionable. (everyone look up that word). What tangible proof do you have that you provide anything of benefit for your clients?

You prey on those who do not have an opportunity, or the means by which, to review the contract. Even then- do you allow amendments? Have you? You have CONFIDENTIAL written down the side, but did you know that as an executed party to a contract- that contract may be shown, displayed, or otherwise disseminated at the discretion of either party? This is a fact. Now- was this NOT one of the 2 "Breaches of Contract" that you stated in your public statement? (Which I saved- bc I save everything, call me paranoid- or intelligent, wvr)

If that is the case- then your reason for releasing her was unfounded, wasn't it? You cited that she was released due to her 2nd Breach, what was the first? Nothing was filmed, but you FLIPPED over her meeting w someone. You FLIPPED over her showing the contract to someone, and why? Something to hide, JM? It was well within her legal right to do so.

Regardless, am very glad that she is out of your contract. Oh, and I just remembered- there is another caveat that I found interesting. Apparently, even though she ascertained her own connection for sponsorship- you did your little negotiation thing and took your 20%. Well... according to your contract- which reads like Swiss cheese to me- (ie- lots of holes, openings, loops) you want to get 20% of all future renewals. Not a chance of that happening, fyi. Just you watch. That's an interesting insertion, though- and I love the wording. Also, “gave advice to” lol- you require your talent to alert you to projects, and you justify your commission by calling it “advice.” Very clever.

For those who do not know what it takes to cover your "representation fee"- SIGNED FMG GIRLS- raise your hand if you got your own endorsement deal? OK. Now, then you had to take the deal YOU found from all YOUR hard work and bring it to JM for approval, correct? Well okay, that was the right thing to do!- according to the contract. So, even though you found the deal- JM will attempt to negotiate a better rate for you ("if possible," Aaron- not "CERTAIN"). Oh- and what credentials does JM have in negotiation? I haven't even bothered to check... HS Diploma at least? Moving on- lets say he gets you a 25% bump in your contract! Sweet right!? No. That leads you back to exactly what you had. - the 25% bump paid his JM his 20%. Do u see how this is a little convoluted? In order for him to benefit you, he has to do two things A) Create initial contact with your prospective sponsor- or B) Negotiate with a current prospect for 25%+ more than you would have been receiving. Or else- you're losing money by being represented by him.

Now, I am not saying to be unrepresented- but lets be honest, making a decent living in fitness is hard-I don't care who you are... Except maybe Jamie Eason, but that's not due to her competitions nor does she have to deal w JM and various' other politics, but it's because she's such a sweetheart. :loveable:

So what if your job is modeling? Your 2 year contract with FMG means that all the deals you used to get to make ends meet- cut 20% of that- or you're considered by Aaron Singerman as stealing from the comic book aficionado who sits on his “tukhus” collecting your checks and paying you when he feels ready. (3 weeks+ according to recent intelligence)

So, all in all- determine for yourself if this is someone you want to work with. Have the contract reviewed by an attorney. If JM won't allow you, document that conversation and alert someone. Not on Rxmuscle.com or various other JM-related forums- but somewhere you can actually be heard.

Feel free to write me at FLCABROKER at AOL dot COM and I will respond accordingly.

Oh, and for those of you who still question who I am, my name is Doug Keating. I have been intimately involved with the business for a while now. I have nothing to hide- and I have an obligation to the people I care about, the competitors, to bring these things to light.

If you are not receiving the representation you deserve, seek an attorney. I am not one, nor do I hold myself out to be one. The only thing I know, is that I can run circles around what ever high school level atty wrote his contract, and probably again with whomever he hires to come back at me. Unless, of course, he wants to be a man and write me directly. I would be more than obliged to respond to him directly. FLCABROKER at AOL dot COM

As I stated several times, if I am wrong – I will give as much press to the retraction as I am giving to this post. The problem is- no one will step on your side unless pressured. I DO know several of your athletes who are upset with your performance. If you press me further, if I am threatened in any way, it is at my discretion to do whatever I so please with the information I possess. I would highly advise you to adhere to my demand, my request, and this warning.

I am writing to give competitors their fair shot, and out from the abuse that I believe is caused to them by FMG and their structure. The IFBB is not perfect, not nearly- and I have made connections within the organization and obtained information that could cause a firestorm. JM, when you do write me you may want to consult someone, and make sure you have your ducks in a row. You can be very certain that mine already are.

Sincerely,

Douglas Keating

Disclaimer: This post was not written by an attorney and shall not be misconstrued as legal advice. The author highly recommends seeking outside counsel to review all past, current, and future documents containing your signature. Including, but not limited to: Model Contracts, Endorsements, Sponsorships, etc. Furthermore, it is the author's opinion that the FMG contract stated herein is extremely in need of review for each of your own benefit. The author can make no warranties to outcome, but it is his opinion that the contract is voidable in many areas.

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 02:50 PM

I don't understand why Shawn Ray didn't go into further detail. :confused:

Because Shawn Ray is full of shit.

Douglas Keating

Crystol88

09-22-2010, 03:14 PM

Man, Doug! Gotta love it! :respect:

Whether Mindi is "difficult" while dieting or not, my heart goes out to her. To have somebody (Shawn Ray) basically call her a liar for claiming her health would suffer if she continued competing is very, very low and demonstrates an appalling lack of respect for her. She publicly and simply stated she is acting on her doctor's orders. How dare Muscular Development question that statement the way they have?? :mad::mad:

ShawnCarla

09-22-2010, 03:16 PM

I could be wrong (Im sure someone will correct me! lol!) but I get the impression some are confused by MD=Muscular Development vs MD=Metabolic Disorder.

I feel the same - metabolic disorder is a scary thing, hopefully she is not suffering from this. Whether she is or not, its a good topic to discuss. I believe I have read other threads on here discussing this...

I agree with you... I'm hoping we can start a new thread to discuss it however. As shown by this thread, rumors start really easily. I'd hate to be a part of starting a rumor that Mindi is suffering from MD (the metabolic one) when in reality she's perfectly fine and competing as originally scheduled.

Crystol88

09-22-2010, 03:22 PM

I agree with you... I'm hoping we can start a new thread to discuss it however. As shown by this thread, rumors start really easily. I'd hate to be a part of starting a rumor that Mindi is suffering from MD (the metabolic one) when in reality she's perfectly fine and competing as originally scheduled.

It's not rumour that Mindi is out of the "O." She made the statement herself as reported by Isaac Hinds. It's not out of line to speculate about the type of health problems she's having knowing her competitive history. Yes, we absolutely could be wrong about what the health problems are, but if Mindi says "health reasons" I am absolutely going to accept that statement from her at face value. I believe she deserves that from us!!

It's Shawn Ray who is starting rumours. Fuck him. :mad:

My blood is up. Again! Can you tell?? :o

http://www.hardbody.com/news/2010/09/20/mindi-smith-withdraws-from-the-figure-olympia/

Mindi, girl, I'm on YOUR SIDE. I think you've been treated like shit.

Siouxcountry

09-22-2010, 03:29 PM

It's not rumour that Mindi is out of the "O." She made the statement herself as reported by Isaac Hinds.

Correct it is no rumor she is not competing.

Mindi posted on her Facebook wall a few hours after Isaac's Blog:

"Due to serious health concerns and under the guidance of my doctor, I have withdrawn myself from the 2010 Figure Olympia. I am deeply saddened by the situation and am working to get myself back to health. Thank you for your understanding and concern on this matter." - Mindi

They also state on the official list she is not competing.

dvsness

09-22-2010, 03:37 PM

It's Shawn Ray who is starting rumours. Fuck him. :mad:

Elaborate??

ShawnCarla

09-22-2010, 03:45 PM

Correct it is no rumor she is not competing.

Mindi posted on her Facebook wall a few hours after Isaac's Blog:

They also state on the official list she is not competing.

It's not rumour that Mindi is out of the "O." She made the statement herself as reported by Isaac Hinds. It's not out of line to speculate about the type of health problems she's having knowing her competitive history. Yes, we absolutely could be wrong about what the health problems are, but if Mindi says "health reasons" I am absolutely going to accept that statement from her at face value. I believe she deserves that from us!!

It's Shawn Ray who is starting rumours. Fuck him. :mad:

My blood is up. Again! Can you tell?? :o

http://www.hardbody.com/news/2010/09/20/mindi-smith-withdraws-from-the-figure-olympia/

Mindi, girl, I'm on YOUR SIDE. I think you've been treated like shit.

I'm sorry...that's not how I read that statement on MD. I understand Mindi post herself that she wouldn't be competing. The way I took it is that she "could be back in". That was just my interpretation of the statement.

Crystol88

09-22-2010, 03:46 PM

Elaborate??

This annoyingly incomplete and ambiguous "news" item sure to come up anytime someone searches for "Mindi Smith:"

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html

The quotation marks around "health reasons," to anyone who understands the correct use of quotation marks, is insulting.

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 03:52 PM

Elaborate??

does that need to be elaborated?

I can make it more concise-

"Fuck Him for lying."

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 03:53 PM

This annoyingly incomplete and ambiguous "news" item sure to come up anytime someone searches for "Mindi Smith:"

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html

The quotation marks around "health reasons," to anyone who understands the correct use of quotation marks, is insulting.

Doctors orders. Over stressed, over done. Over- key word.

jewelofnile69

09-22-2010, 04:51 PM

I'm sorry...that's not how I read that statement on MD. I understand Mindi post herself that she wouldn't be competing. The way I took it is that she "could be back in". That was just my interpretation of the statement.

I think the MD statement is saying that she's still NOT competing but it doesn't have anything to do with health. Then Crystol and Doug are saying that MD (or maybe Shawn Ray in particular) is being an @$$ for posting the way he did.

Love all the posts everyone!

dvsness

09-22-2010, 08:54 PM

I think the MD statement is saying that she's still NOT competing but it doesn't have anything to do with health.

That's what I took it to say.

Then Crystol and Doug are saying that MD (or maybe Shawn Ray in particular) is being an @$$ for posting the way he did.

Love all the posts everyone!

I didn't know SR was responsible for that post. I'd actually started a thread there asking for more content on that post. I wanted to link to it but the MD forums are down for me.

dkeats99

09-22-2010, 10:49 PM

I'm just pretty aggravated by those who disseminate false information. :banghead:

dkeats99

09-23-2010, 09:36 AM

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html

WTF!?!?!

Wow guys, really? Are you all in this together? I'm starting to feel like Santa going through the Naughty List.

For all you actual competitors (:respect:), please take what you read on these sites with a grain of salt. (or sodium free seasoning, whatever- lol)

Here's Shawn Ray's statement via Muscular Development as it reads CURRENTLY. (I say currently, because he will correct it if he's intelligent.)

"Figure Competitor, Mindi Smith is Not out of the Ms. Figure Olympia due to "health reasons."

So, allow me to clarify the facts behind this BOLD FACED LIE.

Mindi's doctor has advised her against competition and stress. After meeting with her doctor, she wrote a letter containing the doctor's recommendation to Robin Chang, VP – AMI Events. This was her decision after the DOCTOR'S recommendation not compete in the Olympia.

So.... way to be an insensitive prick, Shawn.

Just in case you feel that you can do or say anything you want- you posted that sentence under a section called "BREAKING NEWS." Dont worry, I have already saved the initial sentence from the site- it is textbook slander. Plain and simple, because it is untrue and verifiable. - I have explained the truth for you, feel free to ask Robin, so you have all the information you need to make your necessary corrections.

Therefore, and because I used to have quite a bit of respect for you. I will simply SUGGEST that you remove the word NOT and the quotes that are currently surrounding HEALTH REASONS so that the sentence reads correctly.

"Figure Competitor, Mindi Smith is out of the Ms. Figure Olympia due to health reasons."

Otherwise, a proper retraction notice will suffice. Veritas Curat I expect either of those two outcomes to be completed within the next 24 hours from now, otherwise alternate avenues for recourse will be pursued.

For all you website owners who post statements of fact- or "breaking news" when you publish something, speak the truth and you won't have these issues. Vox Veritas Vita

To be honest, I am baffled by all of this. :nuts: How is it that you feel you have the right to say, and print, any unverified statement without repercussions? Who taught you that? JM? :rofl:

I have given you ALL "outs" from of the situations you've put yourselves into, but I am running out of options. What ever happened to treating people with respect??

If anyone would like to speak to me directly, PM here or E-mail me at FLCABROKER@AOL.COM If you have something intelligent that needs to addressed. I will give certain few my cell, so we can talk like rational adults.

I am not a jerk, however, I will fiercely defend friends of mine and those others whom I feel are being unfairly persecuted against. I don't expect that treatment from everyone as it is a lot to ask, but rest assured that I would do the same for any of you.

FYI, this in-box is still empty-

FLCABROKER@AOL.COM

I am still waiting to see if J.M. can deal with his issues like a man. However, I expect a lot more integrity out of you, Shawn. I may be mistaken, but you have always struck me as a guy of solid character.

Sincerely,

Douglas Keating

Shelly Howard

09-23-2010, 09:51 AM

Whew!.... 1/2 bottle of merlot to get thru all this info.... very interesting though :D

dkeats99

09-23-2010, 09:59 AM

Whew!.... 1/2 bottle of merlot to get thru all this info.... very interesting though :D

What kind of merlot? I have some preferences I could share with you. Wine is one of my specialties. ;)

Now, my FAVORITE quote in latin- from the movie Tombstone (also a fav)

"In Vino Vertias" - loosely translated to "In wine, there is truth."

:vacation:

dvsness

09-23-2010, 12:41 PM

slander

Libel

dkeats99

09-23-2010, 01:03 PM

Libel

LOL, you WOULD be one to point that out, but please let me respond on kind. :)

They both hinge on the defamation of character-

Libel- generally speaking, is defamation that is written or published.

Slander- is similar but spoken or written.

HOWEVER, there are caveats to this, and each are important.

When it is a statement made that is completely unfounded, that does not defame character- but is an absolute LIE. It is called Slander.

Which, it is in this case.

Since the inception of the internet- there has been a blurred line between Libel and Slander. Libel being much easier to prove. Some slander cases can be thrown out based on the idea "I didn't know it was slander," so... that's why I took a screen shot of Shawn's posting.

We will see how he works that out for himself. I hope he makes a wise decision. - but I am still firm on my decision to call it slander.

If any atty would like to prove otherwise, i am all ears.

If you cannot tell already, I am quite litigious. :P

Crystol88

09-23-2010, 04:51 PM

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html

WTF!?!?!

I won't quote the whole thing, but couldn't have said it better myself. Literally. I couldn't have! LOL

I can't even tell you how incensed that post on Muscular Development is making me. What is it about Mindi Smith that seems to be making her some sort of target for a whole lot of ugly wrapped in a shitload of stupid?? :confused:

I think it's probably best for Mindi that she stay out of all this garbage and follow her doctor's orders, but if it were my character and my statements being called into question by these types of "news" items, I'd be spitting mad. :mad:

WTF indeed.

dkeats99

09-23-2010, 10:42 PM

I won't quote the whole thing, but couldn't have said it better myself. Literally. I couldn't have! LOL

I can't even tell you how incensed that post on Muscular Development is making me. What is it about Mindi Smith that seems to be making her some sort of target for a whole lot of ugly wrapped in a shitload of stupid?? :confused:

I think it's probably best for Mindi that she stay out of all this garbage and follow her doctor's orders, but if it were my character and my statements being called into question by these types of "news" items, I'd be spitting mad. :mad:

WTF indeed.

Well.. On the positive side- she was unaware of these things.

On the negative side,... I informed her. :oops:

dvsness

09-23-2010, 11:17 PM

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96866-Is-anyone-gonna-add-content-to-this-article-on-Mindi

??

jewelisa

09-23-2010, 11:50 PM

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96866-Is-anyone-gonna-add-content-to-this-article-on-Mindi

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ah smokin hot pic over there Vanessa :kiss:

k8stop

09-24-2010, 12:28 AM

Wow. I have MD and I am 5 weeks out from my first - yes first - show. I haven't even competed yet.

Thank you all for this information. I have a LOT to think about tonight.

dvsness

09-24-2010, 12:35 AM

ah smokin hot pic over there Vanessa :kiss:

Why thank you. :o

Shelly

09-24-2010, 12:43 AM

Whew!.... 1/2 bottle of merlot to get thru all this info.... very interesting though :D

bawhaha. my thoughts exactly.

bottom line theres always gonna be speculation. it is what it is. take it with a grain!

MuscleMom1964

09-24-2010, 12:50 AM

Where is that awesome pdf file that was written, i thought in this thread, re: MD. i need to save it and re-read it. i am a y0-yo dieter and for me to lose weight now - i need to be in the 1100 cal range and workout (weights 5 day and cardio about 3 hrs week. The info in the paper was awesome, but didn't offer any suggestion on how to improve the sistuation or even if it was possibly. but I may have missed it.

Crystol88

09-24-2010, 01:09 AM

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96866-Is-anyone-gonna-add-content-to-this-article-on-Mindi

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Thanks, Vanessa! Nice booty!

Crystol88

09-24-2010, 01:12 AM

ahmitabha

09-24-2010, 03:55 AM

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96866-Is-anyone-gonna-add-content-to-this-article-on-Mindi

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Nice :ass:!!!!

(cat calls)

dkeats99

09-24-2010, 08:02 AM

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/breaking-news/2650-pro-figure-champion-mindi-smith-is-not-out-of-the-olympia.html

"Figure Competitor, Mindi Smith is out of the Ms. Figure Olympia due to health reasons."

I would like to thank Shawn Ray, or whomever else decided it was in the best interest of everyone to remove that post. The removal of the initial post without further dispute shows character and integrity.

Bravo :respect:

Siouxcountry

09-24-2010, 01:57 PM

I would like to thank Shawn Ray, or whomever else decided it was in the best interest of everyone to remove that post. The removal of the initial post without further dispute shows character and integrity.

Bravo :respect:

That is good news. :)

KimmyT

09-24-2010, 05:32 PM

Glad the post was removed. Sometimes people can be very insensitive! Hang in there Mindi

dkeats99

09-24-2010, 05:37 PM

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:bench:

:D

JimmyJ

09-24-2010, 11:30 PM

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