7 pro cards!

[Siouxcountry]

For the first time, there will be three Fitness pro cards awarded as well as the four Figure cards. :popcorn:

[ripitupbaby]

And none for the FBBs. :rolleyes:

[KP DIVA]

Really?? Why is that some divisions off Pro cards and others don't. What factors determine that?And none for the FBBs. :rolleyes:

[Siouxcountry]

Really?? Why is that some divisions off Pro cards and others don't. What factors determine that?

I suspect one reason is that so few women compete in bodybuilding, compared to figure.

The fitness cards have actually been reduced this year overall.

[Patricia Dees]

I suspect one reason is that so few women compete in bodybuilding, compared to figure.
The fitness cards have actually been reduced this year overall.

Exactly.

[DAvid]

I just don't see the logic in awarding Pro cards at a Jr. show unless your just trying to load the IFBB bank account with membership fees.

[MsGuns]

I just don't see the logic in awarding Pro cards at a Jr. show unless your just trying to load the IFBB bank account with membership fees.

I think the Jr shows should just be for experience and the national show all class winners GO Pro...

They have some many figure gurls (nothin against figure gurls) Im not understanding why they get more Pro cards...

They should be tryin to help fitness...and BB since everything thinks its dying..

[MsGuns]

Sum1 email Sandi and she what her answer is...

[dvsness]

I think the Jr shows should just be for experience and the national show all class winners GO Pro...

I agree on that, actually, with the exception of Men's BB (welter/bantam Pros? I think not).

They have some many figure gurls (nothin against figure gurls) Im not understanding why they get more Pro cards...


You just explained why... it is sheer numbers.

[MsGuns]

I agree on that, actually, with the exception of Men's BB (welter/bantam Pros? I think not).




You just explained why... it is sheer numbers.

So many AM or Pro???...then they need to STOP giving out so many Pro cards or cut classes off @ 15 competitors...1st come 1st serve...smile

[dvsness]

So many AM or Pro???...then they need to STOP giving out so many Pro cards or cut classes off @ 15 competitors...1st come 1st serve...smile

No promoter is going to limit the amount of entry fees to be collected.

[chondrobob]

There is nothing JR about the JR USA or Jr Nats, When you compete against 30 or 40 other competitors in a class and win your class,then take one of the overall best placings for a procard, in my opinion makes it tougher than the Figure Nats Team U NYC were the 1st 2 in each class THAT"S right 1st 2 get procards, or the winner of each class at USA goes pro, now this year in Atlanta, Nationals will have figure with a pro card awarded for each class.
Are there to many procards? I don't know but awarding the cards based on numbers defeated is the way to go. I know if I beat 40 in my class vs 8 or 10 I really feel the qualification was deserved. Maybe getting Nationally qualified is to easy? I see figure classes on state levels where a class of 7 girls, 3 or more might qualify for the national shows thus more girls not mature or ready to compete jump into these shows. Its obvious when your at these shows, some of these girls have no business being on stage at that point. but since they nationally qualify they try to compete. Because popularity of figure, it should'nt be penalized, there is no correlation between Fbb and Figure pro cards. Figure is more mainstream thus more competitors,Fbb is niche and will always be tiny(unless they institute the Classic Physique class) So thank god Figure showed up to save the day.

[Anne Sheehan Dudash]

Maybe getting Nationally qualified is to easy? I see figure classes on state levels where a class of 7 girls, 3 or more might qualify for the national shows thus more girls not mature or ready to compete jump into these shows. Its obvious when your at these shows, some of these girls have no business being on stage at that point. but since they nationally qualify they try to compete.

Yes it is. There should be less local shows and only 2 or 3 of them National Qualifiers.

Ane/Or follow your idea that there needs to be a minimum required number of competitors or the Qualification is not given. ...Same with the Pro cards.

It's tough to tell a promoter he can't have a show. Also, they DO want the entry fees..This is why they allow the disorganization the morning of the shows!! $$Cha ching$$!...

Female Bodybuilding is NOT dying..our numbers are increasing not decreasing!! ..the competitors are getting younger and younger.. It would help if more females were better fans..go support your local shows and female athletes. Judge, expedite or just pay for a ticket..

We can't complain and not do anything about it. You want change..make it happen!

[dvsness]

I would agree that there are shows on the regional level that don't draw enough competitors to be NQs. There are girls who have qualified in very small classes that were simply not competitive.

[Anne Sheehan Dudash]

I would agree that there are shows on the regional level that don't draw enough competitors to be NQs. There are girls who have qualified in very small classes that were simply not competitive.


I am not sure if that can be done by state or if that would have to be a Mannion decision.

I'll bring it up at the next NJNPC judges meeting. We actually did reduce both our number of shows and National Qualifiers this year.

It's the promoters that will try to fight it.

[DanielleA]

I think that the number of pro cards given are proportionate to the number of competitors. However, I agree that qualifying for nationals should be more difficult in the figure division. Perhaps instead of top 5, it should be changed to top 3.

[FemFlex]

*3* fitness pro cards??

Will there be that many qualified fitness competitors in Chicago this weekend?

Don't lie to me...cuz I'll know if you're lying!

[Siouxcountry]

*3* fitness pro cards??

Will there be that many qualified fitness competitors in Chicago this weekend?

Don't lie to me...cuz I'll know if you're lying!

Around 30 women are competing in fitness according to Steve Wennerstrom.

[chondrobob]

I think that the number of pro cards given are proportionate to the number of competitors. However, I agree that qualifying for nationals should be more difficult in the figure division. Perhaps instead of top 5, it should be changed to top 3.

Maybe winning your Class? It might take more than one show? Thus making local shows larger.

How about this?(For Figure at least)
A point system alloted that reflects competitors defeated. for example you win your class of say min 3 to 6 = 1 point 6 to 12 defeated = 2 points 12 or more say 3 point "major". at least 2 majors needed to nat qualify. If you win an overall add the girls defeated it up to a 10 point major. 15 points total needed with 2 different majors, That way you would be forced to enter bigger shows and not rack up the points at small shows.if you place second cut the point system in half.3rd place would be 0 to 1 point.
You would then be a NPC Amateur Champion Nationally qualified to compete for a pro qualifier.

[FemFlex]

Around 30 women are competing in fitness according to Steve Wennerstrom.

Then, unless I see some superstars, 3 pro cards is *way* too many.

[Siouxcountry]

Then, unless I see some superstars, 3 pro cards is *way* too many.

Whether it's to many or not, I am surprised so few fitness competitors are competing in Chicago.

The odds for a fitness competitor to turn pro are 5 times better then it is for a figure competitor.

[chondrobob]

If the fitness girls got a little recognition on espn or usa instead of some lame ass poker show or dog show rerun, little girls might aspire??:banghead:

[Anne Sheehan Dudash]

If the fitness girls got a little recognition on espn or usa instead of some lame ass poker show or dog show rerun, little girls might aspire??:banghead:

..nah I'd rather watch the SPELLING BEE's!!:rolleyes::shrug:

[Jodi_Lane]

I think that the number of pro cards given are proportionate to the number of competitors. However, I agree that qualifying for nationals should be more difficult in the figure division. Perhaps instead of top 5, it should be changed to top 3.

I hear what you're saying. I am going to train for a national qualifier that is in November and I just recently found out that girls that are in the top 5 of their class get qualified to go national. Which is awesome, but I was actually shocked by the large amount.

NOW...one reason why I think they should KEEP it at the top 5 (even though it is a large number) is because not EVERY SINGLE top 5 placing figure girl is going to compete at jr nationals or usas....see what I mean? Sure, there are a ton of figure and not as many fitness/bodybuilding but I think another reason why is because clearly its in proportion to the amount of competitors. I'm new at all this stuff, but have been researching a lot lately and I also think there are a lot of pro cards given out, but that's alright...if they deserve it oh well. So, I can see both sides of this conversation haha. In a way I think there are too many but then again, that's ok because the girls at jr nats or usas are going to deserve their cards if they get'em. Maybe it would be nice if there was more encouragement towards womens bodybuilding, that'd be nice to see. To me, fitness seems just so out-of-reality because I would never in 1 million years be able to do all that stuff those girls do. lol! I think its awesome as heck to watch though, it floors me! Hopefully, both categories will always remain because I love watching figure,bbing, and fitness...its all wonderful. So, maybe the promoters just need to find a way to encourage womens bodybuilding and fitness...seems tough!